Time – it’s always running away from us. One of the perks of owning my own business is that I am in charge of my own schedule, but it’s still a challenge to make the most of every day. And that’s why I’ve been reading “Make Time” by Jake Knapp and John Zeratsky along with my co-host, David Krohse!

It’s about slowing down and making time for what matters most.

Jacques Hopkins

We had a great chat about our favorite tips from the book, what we’ve tried so far, and what we’re thinking about as we face the challenge of making time head-on.

In This Episode, We Talked About:   

  • (1:45) Introducing the theme of today’s episode
  • (3:13) First thoughts on “Making Time”
  • (8:08) The authors’ stories and discussion vs. implementation
  • (10:20) Pre-planning daily highlights and calendar blocking
  • (11:36) “Flake it ‘till you make it”
  • (13:00) Becoming a morning person (or not)
  • (16:59) Tuning out distractions and “infinity pools”
  • (23:10) Homescreen cleanup – does it make a difference?
  • (24:17) Wristwatch vs. phone for timekeeping and more
  • (25:54) Dave’s concept for a physical product that limits screentime
  • (29:46) The challenge of keeping on top of emails
  • (31:29) Paring down entertainment options and how we use our downtime
  • (35:42) How to invent a deadline
  • (38:48) Experiments with nutrition and fasting
  • (42:01) Headspace and a meditation fail
  • (44:06) Wrapping up

So what about you – what are you doing to make time in your own schedule? If you’d like to share, make sure you join my free Facebook group for online course creators. I’d love to hear from you there!


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Regular people are taking their knowledge and content, packaging it up in an online course and they're making a living doing it. But not everyone is successful with online courses. There's a right way and there's a wrong way, and I'm here to help course creators actually succeed with online courses.

Hi, I'm Jacques Hopkins, and this is The Online Course Show.

And off we go. Welcome aboard. Glad you're with us. This is The Online Course Show. I'm your host, Jacques Hopkins, and here with me is our cohost, David Krohse.

David Krohse: What's up?

Jacques Hopkins: Come on. You can do better than that. I really like, you're really excited to make time.

David Krohse: Alright.

Jacques Hopkins: Oh I'm, I'm.

David Krohse: Oh you were. What's up? What's up?

Jacques Hopkins: We're live. No, we're not really live, but let's, let's roll through it. And that was better. And we're excited clearly to dive into all things online courses with you today. We're having, we're having fun here, David, on episode 118. We're talking about a book called Make Time. Are you excited?

David Krohse: I'm excited.

Jacques Hopkins: I think, you know, we both have online course businesses. People listening to this podcast either you, either have online course businesses or they want to, and I think everybody, whether you have a business or not, the, the prospect of making time, creating time, having more time is enticing, and that's kind of what this book is about. We haven't spoken about it yet. We both recently read the book.

And we're going to talk about it on this podcast here today. Does that sound good to you?

David Krohse: That sounds great.

Jacques Hopkins: So I got this recommendation from a friend of mine, Jonathan Mendoza, from the ChooseFI podcast. He recently interviewed the, one of the authors. On his podcast and he said, this is, this is a game changing book for him, and if he says that, then I'm on board.

And so I wanted to pick it up, check it out, and so we're going to be talking about it today. Glad you're out there listening to this. If you want to pick up a copy of the book and at the same time support the show, then buy your copy through this link, theonlinecourseguy.com/maketime.

All right, David. Like I said, we have, we haven't touched base on this book. We don't know how each other feels about it. We don't know what our takeaways are. So that's exactly what we're going to be doing in this episode is getting our honest, candid, you know, freshly read the book feedback. So off the top, you know, at the beginning here. Overall, what'd you think?

David Krohse: Well, I thought that I needed it was the biggest takeaway like I am distracted, I have an addiction to Facebook, and my wife gives me a hard time about it. And so yeah, I mean, I needed to listen to it. I didn't have a bunch of time. I was like, I got to make time to listen to this thing, and my wife, we're on a road trip and I was like, Oh man, I want to listen to this.

But if I listen with Val there, she's going to end up looking at me and be like. You need this and yeah, but, but given the limited time, we listened together and we were hour and a half in and she just had me pause it and she's like, do you realize how much you need this? So I was like, I was waiting for you to say that.

So yeah, it's good. And honestly, I mean, a book is good to the extent that it makes you make changes. And I've already messed with some settings on my phone, so it's, it's helping me make changes.

Jacques Hopkins: I'm excited to talk about it now. This is, this is a very actionable book. I mean, the core of the book is literally 87 different tactics that you can take and implement and start using. And they mentioned the tactic and then they'll explain why, why it's good. So we'll spend the most of our time here going through some of those tactics and maybe talk about some of our, not only takeaways, but what we put into practice since, since, you know, reading about that particular tactic. But like I said, the book is, is fairly simple.

I mean, the, the, I think we both did audio, the, the audible version, and it's less than five hours. And I listened to it on probably like 1.8 speed. You know, it's, it's not a long book, but it was funny. I was going on, I was on the Amazon page for the book. And the, the top review is a one star review, very negative.

And the reason it's so negative is because of how simple it is. They're like, how, how did these guys put together book? Like, why are people buying a book where the, the guy tells you to use Facebook less and, and watch TV less. It was like, yeah. That's kind of the point, man. Like that's we, we all need that reminder and there's great strategies on how to best do all this.

And so you know, right off the bat that the simplicity is, is what I, one, one of the things I love most about this now. If we want to talk about just like what's, what's, what's kind of the synopsis of the book, right? The synopsis, in my opinion is that in general, we're busy, right? Everybody's busy, busy, busy, busy.

Hey, you know, how's life? How, how's, how's work going? Oh, busy. Right? And what happens is days pass by weeks passed by months or even years. And it's just kind of a blur and, and we wonder where this time has gone. What have we been doing? And the book to me is about just like slowing down and making time for what matters most.

You think that's a fair synopsis?

David Krohse: I think that's great. Yeah. I tried to, I said my one one sentence summary is don't let the default settings destroy your life. You know, you get that phone and it's set up for everybody, but no matter what device you're looking at, it's like set it up. So that it's a benefit to you and not a cost in terms of your life.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah. One, and we'll talk about this later on, but like one small example of what you just said is by default, every app you download on your phone notifications are turned on. Don't let that, don't let that ruin you and you can, you can change that. You can change default settings, but the book also talks about default settings from a perspective of your life to like your life's default settings.

What is, when you wake up in the morning, what's your default? Is it to check email, change it, right? Change what you're, your own default settings are. Now, I mentioned we both listened to the audio version. I really enjoy the audio version because there's two authors to this book and man, they went back and forth so seamlessly. It was, it was such an enjoyable experience with the two authors reading the book.

David Krohse: That was really unique. I found that really interesting.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah, and then another cool thing about having two authors is it gave interesting perspectives to different perspectives, and like I said, there's 87 different tactics here. Sometimes the tactics don't jive with each other like they're, they're almost opposite tactics because there's two different guys and they they want, they don't want you to go implement all 87 like it's literally impossible. They want to give all this information and you pick and choose what's going to work best for you and your life.

Just to give you a couple of examples, I mean, one tactic is about becoming a morning person and getting certain things done in the morning. Another one is becoming a night person and getting certain things done in the night. So most people out there are going to be able to be both. Another example is one of the tactics is to, to snack a lot and just always be, you know, satisfied from a hunger perspective. And another tactic is to try fasting. So those don't, don't jive either. So if it was just one author, then you might not have all those, you know, different. Types of tactics.

David Krohse: Definitely. I did enjoy learning the author's actual stories, and they're pretty inspiring. So I mean, the both of them worked in Google companies. One was in YouTube and one was in Gmail. And it sounded like they, they rose to leadership positions, started teaming up together. Now they have both like left Google and are living their dreams. So like one is a full time author and the other one, like he and his wife are like living full time on a sailboat. So talk about, you know, you put this stuff into action and I mean, it enabled them to live like just these dream lives, how they define it.

Jacques Hopkins: There are stories, our stories are always important. You know, I always preach to people that their, their story should be well woven into their course and their marketing for their course. I mean, if I just come on this podcast or my website and start teaching people about online courses, it doesn't mean near as much.

If you don't know the story of, of piano in 21 days and all that. So yeah. To hear, to hear the guys' stories and where they are now and hear how these concepts and these tactics have positively impacted their lives is a really important part of part of this book. And I'm glad you brought that up.

So let's see. Like I said, we were going to spend a good amount of time going through some of these tactics. Is there anything else you think worth mentioning overall before we jump into some tactics, David?

David Krohse: No, I don't think so.

Jacques Hopkins: The last thing I think I'll say is that, you know, I did mention already that this is a very actionable book, and for that reason, you know, it may not be a great idea that we just read it and now we're talking about it.

Maybe we should have waited a little bit of time, but on that same note, maybe it's something we should revisit in the future because I don't know about you, but I haven't had much time to implement a lot of this. A lot of it sounds great and I've implemented some of it, but it's one of these things that you, you need to implement and use her for.

I mean, hopefully the rest of your life. So let's go ahead and get into it. Like I said, we're not going to go into all 87 tactics. I highly recommend you read this book. You can get a copy of theonlinecourseguy.com/maketime and you'll see all 87 tactics inside the book.

I want to start with number nine. We're going to go through these in order of the ones we picked out here. Number nine is block your calendar and the concept there is to actually block off time on your calendar for, for certain tasks. You know, we didn't, we didn't even talk about the highlight, like they recommend you preplan a highlight of your day.

You know, when somebody asks you, what was the highlight of your day. Sometimes you're not able to answer it, and so they want you to think about that question at the beginning of your day. If somebody asks you what's, what was the highlight of your day at the end of your day, what would you want the answer to be?

Preplan that and number nine talks about go ahead and block time for whatever that is on your calendar, and I know for me, what's on my calendar is meetings, like actual appointments and meetings and things like that. I don't really block off time on my calendar for for getting certain things done or tasks, but that's a concept I've read about before in, in Deep Work by Cal Newport and it sounds like something worth trying.

Is that something you've ever done, David?

David Krohse: Not particularly, no. I've always been very haphazard with my calendar and just know that there's a few key things coming up. I know there's times I need to go take care of patients and that definitely is a hit on productivity. Yeah, that sounds good.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah. Something I'm going to be trying. All right. Number 11, flake it till you make it. What's your thoughts there?

David Krohse: Okay, so this flake it until you make it concept they would say, let's say that you're in a business setting and you get called into these meetings all the time, and you get a sense that these meetings aren't worthwhile.

You're supposed to just kind of lie and be like, Oh, I've got something really important I need to work on and just skip the meeting. So Elon Musk is like one of my heroes. If I'm a fanboy of anybody, it's him. And it's interesting to me. That's one of the ways that I waste time is I use the Flipboard app and Flipboard knows that, yeah, whatever Elon is up to today, I'd like to read about that.

But Elon, he put out like this memo to his entire companies and he says, if you're in a meeting, it's SpaceX or Tesla, and it becomes apparent that your skillset and knowledge is not needed, get up and walk out. It's company wide, SpaceX, Tesla, Boring company, Neurolink and it's just, you know, a lot of companies don't do that, and these people just spend hours in meetings where they aren't contributing anything. So flick it till you make it.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah. I'm, I'm the boss now, so I'm pretty pretty in charge of, of what goes on my calendar and what meetings I schedule. So I don't have a huge problem with that on my side. But I definitely remember back in my days as an engineer, a lot of meetings where it's like, man, this is so, this is so pointless. I don't, I don't think I had the nerve to just get up and leave. But that's interesting that, that is, that is something part of the culture at Elon Musk's companies.

Number 14 become a morning person. Man, I can't tell me to tell you how many times I've tried becoming a morning person. I love the thought of it. I love the thought of getting up early when it's still dark, making some nice coffee, you know, watching the sun come up, planning my day and all that, but, it's hard. It's hard. Are you a morning person or a night person?

David Krohse: Somewhere in between. I mean, I wake up early no matter what, but I don't wake up and instantly be productive except on the on the weekends I do actually though. I know that there's like this window where I can be productive and I get things done first.

Jacques Hopkins: I'll tell you, I struggle with, with where to draw the line between, between waking up early and getting enough sleep because we all know, I mean, everybody talks about how important sleep is for you. And people try to tell you how great it is to wake up early and start your day early. But where, where do you draw that line? And I know for me, I draw that line about seven fifteen each day.

And I, I, man, I love my sleep and I, I, I tried to get about nine hours, sometimes even 10 I just, I a lot love to sleep. I feel good when I'm well rested, but that morning still call me and, and I think maybe I could even just 30 minutes early would would earlier would be good. Cause seven fifteen is when my kids get up.

And so we start our day together and I make them breakfast and all that. So I usually don't start my work day until about eight fifteen, eight thirty after they're off to school. And I know that on the times when I have woken early and done a better job with, with a morning routine and starting my day, start planning my day and all that, it typically is a better day as long as I got enough sleep the night before. So I think, you know, becoming a morning person obviously starts the night before.

David Krohse: Dave Ramsey somewhere on one of his shows. I heard him say a quote. He said, like, if you're a parent especially, and you have a project you want to work on, he said, be selfish at 5:00 AM. And like, I'm not a, I don't have kids. And when I hear that, I'm just like, that's kind of why I don't have kids because I can do things on my own schedule.

But you know, if you have this busy life, you have a family, you want to be a good parent, you got to find times after the kids are in bed or before they're up to work on things. And I know, I know what the boot camp style workouts, their most highly attended workouts are these like five in the morning workouts, which, yeah, it just blows my mind.

Jacques Hopkins: So I do love that quote as well. That's for people that are, you know, working a full time job, trying to work on a side hustle that's perfect for people who are kind of in the middle here. Right? So my only course businesses are my job, so I've got, I've got 40 hours a week or whatever, whatever I want to do that week to work on my online course.

But if you're, if you're at your job and you have your family and you're struggling to find time to work on your online course business. Yeah. That quote is great, and I think the, the originator of it, his name is John Acuff, who actually, yeah, you remember that he, he worked for Dave Ramsey for for a time. I don't think he does anymore, but yeah, he says, be selfish at 5:00 AM like if everybody's pulling at you, your job, your family, your kids, your wife, whatever, you can be selfish at 5:00 AM.

Also, I've got this friend, really good friend here in town who's, who's an attorney and he's got a wife and kids. And he wakes up. He keeps going earlier in early. Right now I think he's been waking up at like three thirty in the morning for, for a couple of years now. It's funny cause if we, if we like go out at night or anything, go out to dinner he's like fall asleep at the table by like eight thirty but he's, I'm always like, why? Why do you get up that early?

And he always tells me, he's like, I heard this quote one time, he says. It's really hard to be poor if you wake up at 4:00 AM and that quote resonated for him and ever since then he's been waking up at like 4:00 AM or or sooner and he, he starts his work day. He starts, starts doing his billable hours as an attorney that early and he's doing really well.

All right, this next one, number 17 I have a feeling we're going to spend a little bit of time here. 17 is try a distraction free boom. So I have a lot of thoughts on here. This is something that I have definitely played with off and on, over the past couple of years in something I'm a big fan of, of, of implementing is, is trying to make your phone as less, as less the least distracting possible.

So you know, let's, let's throw 19 Nick's notifications in here as well cause that's part of, of of it being not super distracting by, you know, we mentioned earlier by default every app has notifications. Turn off notifications, please. Email absolutely. Like some silly stupid little apps you have in your phone are going to have notifications. Please turn those off.

I mean in my opinion, the only thing that should have notifications are phone calls, right? That's a notification. Text messages and calendar, like those are literally the three things that have notifications on on my phone. What about you on notifications?

David Krohse: Yeah, that's pretty much the ones that are there. I don't think I get notifications. I guess messenger might still have notifications as well.

Jacques Hopkins: Facebook messenger. Do you, so you don't have Facebook messages like a Facebook notifications turned on?

David Krohse: No, I don't.

Jacques Hopkins: Okay, good. Now they also recommend uninstalling all social media apps. That's, that's something that I do. The only social media-ish app that I still have, and I don't know if I'm going to get rid of, is YouTube, but I don't have Facebook app. Don't have Twitter, don't have, you know, any of those apps on my phone.

David Krohse: I have not accomplished that. I have at various times. I've taken Facebook off for a couple of days and then I'm like, Oh. I'll just log in on Safari and pull it up. And then it's like, well, this is pretty much the same as app. And so, yeah, I mean, I have an addiction to Facebook.

It's really that one particular app. Instagram does not appeal to me the same way. It's like, I dunno what, with Facebook, I feel like I customize the experience. I unfollowed people that are really political or obnoxious, follow some news sites. And so I get this mix of gossip and, and news and you know, it's just a little relaxing thing that I use. So it is, it is kind of addictive for me.

Jacques Hopkins: No, I haven't had the Facebook app on my phone in many years, if ever, but I do, I do catch myself, like just opening, and I think you alluded to this, just opening the browser and going to facebook.com and if I, you know, the past few months, if I'm on Facebook on my phone, that's how I'm doing it. And that's kind of worthless, right? If you're going to uninstall the app, they actually recommend, man, I couldn't believe this. They recommend uninstalling the browser from your phone. Did you catch that?

David Krohse: I did.

Jacques Hopkins: I Don't think I can ever do that. I don't think I could ever uninstall the browser because like if I'm, I don't know. I just love how the internet is always in our pocket or whatever. And just the, the sheer knowledge that's available to you. I mean, I think even when Elon Musk was interviewed within the past year on Joe Rogan show. I'm sure you listen to it if you're that big of a fanboy, he, I remember him talking about how we're basically like cyborgs or whatever now because we have smartphones and we have access to all this information, like almost instantly.

And so if I want to just Google something, like I'll want to be able to do that. But I think one of the reasons they want you to uninstall your browser's that you don't go to facebook.com and twitter.com and reddit.com and all that, but you can use an app called Freedom. And block sites like that. And that's what I, that's what I'm doing and that's what I'm doing.

So right now, if I go to facebook.com. It won't let me get there. It redirects to let me do it right now. It redirects to block that freedom.to, and I don't know if you can see this, not you listening in your earbuds, but you, David, it says you are free to do what matters. And I love that little, little, you know, inspirational line there when I tried to go to facebook.com or reddit.com or something like that. So I think.

David Krohse: So is freedom your browser?

Jacques Hopkins: No, it's not my browser. Freedom is an app that allows you to block certain apps and certain websites during certain times. Right? So I don't have any apps blocked. I just have websites blocked. Because if I, if I wanted to block an app, I'm just uninstalling it. And I have those websites blocked 24 seven but you could block it for certain times, you know, during your work day, whatever.

But if I'm, you know, bathing my kids or, you know, it's family time or whatever, I don't need to be browsing Facebook. And if I'm, if I'm, you know, waiting in line at the DMV or something like that, like. I can pull up the Kindle app, right? I can, there's more productive apps I can pull up on my phone than the browser and just going through something like facebook.com and the, the authors of the book, they actually call that. Do you remember what they call it? An infinity pools. That's what they call things that have ever replenishing content. So basically if you can like swipe down and, and new content comes up, that's called an infinity pool and they want you to avoid those like the plague.

David Krohse: Definitely. So, yeah, the way that I've implemented this just since listening is I hadn't really used the screen time and the downtime features on the iPhone, but I mean, built into your iPhone, I set an hour limit for Facebook per day, 10 minutes on Instagram, which I don't think I'd come anywhere near that, but, and then downtime is this concept. It's built into the iPhones now that between, I said at 11 o'clock all the social media apps are shut down until six in the morning. So not a huge break from that, but I figured, well, that'll keep me from staying up later than 11 at least.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah, and I'm on Android and they have something called downtime as well, and you can schedule also the, the, the blue light changes and stuff too, so, so it doesn't affect your sleep. You can make your phone turn black and whites during certain hours. I actually, by default, this is a default, is my phone's black and white. That's another thing I recommend to people is just change. If you do one thing, change the color on your phone 24/7 to black and white.

Everything is way less appealing that way. You can still get the things done that you need to get done. Even the maps app when driving, you know, Instagram and Facebook, if you do still have those apps or go to them in your browser. They're not as appealing.

All right, let's move on to our next tactic here. We're still on the kind of smart phone theme number 20 is clear your home screen. This is another one that I was a little surprised about it and I, I try. I try this. In fact, you know, my home screen is perfectly clear right now.

There's not a single app on it. But you have to go to the next page to see the kind of main apps that I use, like phone messages, browser. I'm not a fan of this one. I don't, I don't, I don't really get this one. I think I'm going to move my apps back to the home screen.

David Krohse: Yeah, that sounds good.

Jacques Hopkins: Not a lot of thoughts there.

David Krohse: No, not really. I agree. I, I listened to that one. And right now, interestingly at various times in the past, my apps have all been organized for maximum efficiency. And right now my, my screens are cluttered. I mean Facebook is like four screens deep. But it's just this jumbled mess. I didn't clear my homescreen.

Jacques Hopkins: No, I just wanted to mention that one as something that I tried out and I didn't really see the point. So I think I'm going to move back. Now, normally I only have a handful of core apps on my home screen, and then everything else is just in the app drawer. And look, I haven't used an iPhone in probably 10 years, so I don't know that I don't, you know the terminology on iPhone, but I think that's what they call it on Android.

21 is wear a wristwatch. Now, that was interesting because they say that actually, you know, the majority of the time when we pull out our phones, it's, it's to check the time and you don't want to just check the time and then get sucked in to something that's on, on your phone. So wear a wristwatch. Now, I'm a big fan of my watch, David. I have a wristwatch.

David Krohse: Oh, very nice.

Jacques Hopkins: It's nice, right? It doesn't look like a smartwatch, does it?

David Krohse: No.

Jacques Hopkins: It's got a leather band. It's actually a smartwatch. I've loved this watch. I've had it for over a year. I recommend it. It's a Withings. I don't remember the specific specific model, but the brand is Withings and it's great because it's like an analog watch, but it's got a really small little area for, for the smart feature, and the battery lasts over a month.

So I have a wristwatch. I'm a big fan most of the time I use it for time, but I do get text messages on here and phone calls. So I have the wristwatch and one, one thing I'm thinking about implementing that I haven't done is when I'm at home having my cell phone on me less, right. Just keep it on my nightstand or something.

And if somebody, you know, if there's an emergency or wants to get in touch with me. Then they can still do that via, you know, a phone call, a text message. I'll still get it on my watch, but I don't necessarily need to have my phone in my pocket, right? So they don't, they don't recommend having a smartwatch like this. They recommend having an old school watch, but I'm just kind of putting multiple things together and that's kind of my thoughts there with the watch.

David Krohse: Well, what you're talking about there kind of leads right into one of the ones that I really wanted to talk about, which is leave the devices behind. And so I actually have this like physical product that I've been thinking about developing. And when I was asking you what kind of an engineer you were, have you had been in development of like physical products I might've been like, Hey Jacques, let's team up on this. But since you were the more of the controls engineer, I'm just going to share this because I think it's a great idea.

The problem it would solve is like as a, I am not a parent, but if I had kids, I would be like, how do I control how much these kids use technology? And there'd be two concerns. The first is just the idea that you'd give a kid a tablet and they disappear into their room and become like a troll. You know, they're looking at porn, they're playing by themselves all day long. It's just not ideal.

And then the second thing, as a chiropractor, I look at it from a posture perspective, and so I'm like, man, it would be a nightmare for these kids just to end up looking like hunchbacks because they'd been hunched over that technology in their room all day long. And so the concept that I have for kids would basically be, if I had kids, the only way they would be able to use technology would be like a tablet mounted on the wall.

And it would be on this track so that if you had two kids, let's say you have one kid that's three foot tall and one kid that's four foot tall, like they each have a designated spot. But the only way that the kids can play on this tablet is they have to like picture them like they have to reach up 10 inches above their heads.

And so, so the whole idea is that like how long is a kid going to play on Minecraft or whatever if they're like standing there with like their arm up above their head. And so, and then I picture myself out. If I was to develop this product, you know, if I was on the infomercial, I'd be there just ranting about how, you know, like oh, your kid's posture is going to be ruined as a chiropractor. I see all these kids come in with chronic neck pain, headaches. So I'm like, it could be pretty persuasive, but as I envision the product, I'm like, you know, I should do that for myself.

And so the concept would be if I got home and the only way that I could use my smartphone, I had to like set it in this like little holder that's like 10 inches above my head. And the only way that I can go and check my phone is to like go and stay on there up against the wall. It's kind of exactly what you said. Like you'd still, you'd still get your notifications on your watch, on your watch and stuff, but how long are you going to spend?

And it sure would highlight if you were spending three hours a day over playing on the phone, like standing there next to the wall. So, I dunno, what do you think of my idea?

Jacques Hopkins: That is such a chiropractor and shouldn't.

David Krohse: Yeah, but we need it, man.

Jacques Hopkins: No, that's, I definitely.

David Krohse: I've looked it up. It's not out there.

Jacques Hopkins: Are you sure it's not out there?

David Krohse: There's some, there's some wall mounts, but not this concept that's like usable for multiple size kids and stuff. Yeah, you can look for it.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah, I know. I know. My daughters would get, we'd get frustrated with the height there and be like, let's just lower it. You know? If it's on a track, they would just want it lowered, but even if it's just in that one spot and they have to stand to use it. That's an interesting concept.

And then also applying it to adults. Like I'm thinking now, like what if my phone was just in this one spot a little high up, and that's the only way that I could use it once I'm home, right? I mean, when we're home, we really don't need to use our cell phones that much unless we get a phone call or respond to text messages, right?

We, if we, you know. We need to use Facebook. Like I use Facebook a lot for business, but like I need to be using Facebook for my computer, not and during, you know, working hours, not from, from my phone. So love what you're trying to accomplish there. I think maybe the, you know, specifics may need to be fine tune a little bit, but I definitely am on board with what you're trying to accomplish.

David Krohse: All right, well, if you want to help me, my dad's an engineer and he retired and I was like, Hey, you want to help me make this product? And he just listened to the idea, the pitch, and he's like. Aah... I don't think people would really buy that, so I still, I'm still looking for somebody to help me implement this.

Jacques Hopkins: Alright.

David Krohse: I'll be the one, I'll be the one that's on QVC.

Jacques Hopkins: If any engineers out there listening, contact David.

David Krohse: There you go.

Jacques Hopkins: 35 schedule email time. This one I wrote down because I want to get better at this. I usually have my email open throughout the day on my computer, not on my phone. I don't have email notifications turned on.

I go through periods of even having the email app uninstalled and that's very, that's very good at times. So like right now I've got it install, I'm about to go on a trip. I think certain apps are good to have on your phone when you're traveling and maybe not using your computer as as much. And then when you get home, make sure you're uninstalling.

But I think, you know, at first read about like scheduling your email back years ago in the four workweek by Tim Ferriss. And I think that email is probably more effective when you only check it once, twice, maybe three times a day, and process it, clear it out, and then get back to your work and not leave it open all day like I do.

David Krohse: Yeah, I mean, I think that sounds good. Emails never been something that's been super tempting for me. The one thing I'm often tempted to put off, replying to emails, and then it kind of sits there at my psyche, like, Oh, I gotta get to that. So if I could do anything with email, it would just do prompt responses probably. It would be good for my...

Jacques Hopkins: Do you do, do you do like inbox zero?

David Krohse: No, no. There's like thousands.

Jacques Hopkins: I do not understand not doing inbox zero. Maybe you can [gibberish] you, maybe you can explain it to me, but like, once I, once I get into my email like I, it'll bother me if I don't get it down to zero emails in my inbox. Like I don't even understand how you manage it without doing that.

David Krohse: Oh my gosh. Well, it's just a monster that can't be tamed at this point. It's too late.

Jacques Hopkins: You just archive them all and start fresh, man.

David Krohse: Ohhh... It's bad.

Jacques Hopkins: If anybody's listening to this, I highly recommend you do inbox zero clearly. All right, 46 go À la carte instead of all you can eat. And this relates to TV. I don't think we need to spend a lot of time here, but I see I stopped cable 2008, 2009 we don't watch a lot of TV. The most TV that I watch is just sports. As, as I've mentioned, I'm a big sports fan, but we have, we have, we pay for Disney plus, and that's, that's about it. Cause we have kids, we use, we use my wife's dad's Netflix account.

Maybe I shouldn't be saying that, but we rarely even use Netflix. But they're saying, just, just pay for what you're using and, and don't, don't just buy the $200 a month cable package. Not only because it's a lot of money, but also like you don't need all that and you don't need all that TV.

David Krohse: Yeah, that sounds good. We don't really watch any TV either. Like in the book it said that Americans are still watching four hours a day. I don't know. We might watch two hours a week and that does kind of lead me back to where, you know, it's like with Facebook again, that's kind of my evening relaxation thing. And so like I've, I've talked with my wife about this.

It's like if I didn't play on Facebook, like maybe I would turn on the TV, which would be more annoying. She doesn't want that sound around our house. And so the other options would be reading a physical book, which honestly doesn't appeal to me that much. I do quite a bit of audio books. My question, I mean, there's quite a few hours in the day, like what ends up being your true relaxation? Just wind down activity because in some ways I'm like. I dunno what tells to fill that space with.

Jacques Hopkins: Well, are you asking me personally what's mine?

David Krohse: I'm asking, I'm asking you what do you, what is, what is like if you say, I'm just going to relax and veg out for hour and a half. Sometime, you know, kind of before bed, like what is that?

Jacques Hopkins: So for me, that could be one of a few things. It can be watching sports, right? So, but it's gotta be I rarely, we'll watch a sport where I'm not like invested in the team, so it's gotta be like a LSU sport, football, baseball, basketball. Heck, I'll even watch like LSU gymnastics and Hey, I'm a season ticket holder, man.

I have two, I have two girls. Or the saints, or you know, one of my teams. And obviously that's not on every night. And then my go-to other than that would be honestly to read fiction. Right? I am not, I don't really get into reading nonfiction, like business books in the evening. I think it, it just kind of works me up.

It gets the ideas flowing and makes me want to take action, and I struggle sleeping after that. But, but fiction really, you know, I, I really get into it. I get into the other worlds. I really like science fiction. I, you know, what I do is I, I'll buy the Kindle version and the audio version. So what I'll do is I'll, I'll read the Kindle version just on the couch.

Maybe have a glass of wine. You know, my wife will be doing something, reading something of her own, working on a project of her own after the kids go to bed. And then once it's time to actually go to bed, I'll switch over to the the audio version and they, and they sync up. If you do Amazon, they'll sync up where you left off in the Kindle version and then I'll listen to it and that'll kind of put me to sleep. I always listen to either a podcast or an or a fiction audio book to go to sleep. And so that's a, that's a cool way to kind of transition from text to audio.

David Krohse: Nice. What are a couple of your favorite recent books that you've read?

Jacques Hopkins: Oh man. Dark Matter was really cool science fiction book.

David Krohse: I was going to guess. I actually would have guessed that one is the one that you liked recently.

Jacques Hopkins: Oh have you? You've read it?

David Krohse: I've heard a lot no, but I've heard a lot about it.

Jacques Hopkins: Okay, cool. Yeah, Dark Matter. And then one of my favorites is, is this book called I Am legend. I Am Bob.

David Krohse: Oh huh.

Jacques Hopkins: It's, it's pretty popular. It's got a weird name, but it's very interesting. It's actually a trilogy, so I'm actually going through those books for a second time right now. Big fan of that as well.

David Krohse: Did you read the Red Rising series?

Jacques Hopkins: No. What is that?

David Krohse: Oh, you gotta check that out. It's considered young adult, but people, it gets rave reviews. The one thing I tried to listen to it on audio book, the narrator had a kind of thick British accent and I, it took more brain power to like focus on it, but people rave about it.

Jacques Hopkins: I'll check it out, man. All right, let's move on to our, another tactic you got. Have about five more here to talk about. Number 49 invent a deadline, man. I love, love, love this one. And this is something that I do because man, I'm, like I said, I'm the boss, right? I don't have a lot of deadlines that, I, I have to adhere to unless I set them.

So usually when I, you know, give myself a project or a task, I will either try to make my own deadline or, you know, get with, get with my accountability partner and, and get with him and make a deadline and say, you know, I've talked about this here. You know, the penalty goals and say, if I don't, if I don't do this by this date, I owe you $100.

So inventing a deadline can be very effective. You know, what is it, Pareto Principle or something like that, where it's the time that it takes to accomplish something, expands to fill the time that you give it to, to take to take it. You know, pro probably can be put a little more eloquently than that, but hopefully you get the point. So big fan of 49 invent the deadline.

So the rest of the tactics I think fall more into like the health category there. There were categories that these fell into. We didn't really go over those, but I'm looking at this list and I've got four more to talk about. And they all kind of fall into health.

David Krohse: Yeah, they called it, they called it the energy category. Just things that help you be healthier and be focused and so.

Jacques Hopkins: Well yeah, cause I'm looking at 51 here, play a laser soundtrack. And I was like, how has that been to health? But you're right, they do call it energy. So these last four fall into energy category. So what does that one mean for you? Play a laser soundtrack?

David Krohse: Yeah. Well I mean they just recommend that you come up with this song that like puts you in the mindset of just kicking ass and taking names. So I wanted to ask you like what song, what would be your pump up, get things done song?

Jacques Hopkins: You're putting me on the spot, man. Let me think about it while you tell it, tell us yours.

David Krohse: Well, I have to, so there's this artist, his name is, or the artist is Chicane, I think his name is Nick Bracegirdle. But it's this techno ambient kind of music, really melodic. And I just feel like that kept me up so many nights during college. Focused. Just incredible. So love that. If you want my little Spotify playlist of music, that would get me in the mindset and reach out to me.

And then the other one, if I was going to come in and record, I just wanted it to be like really pumped up. Have you heard the song Glorious by Macklemore?

Jacques Hopkins: I'm sure I have, but it doesn't ring a bell right now.

David Krohse: Oh man. It's really great. And it has this cute video of him like taking his grandma out for birthday, taking her all around like Vegas for with all these highlights. But it's an awesome song. And as I actually listened to it this morning, as I was coming in to record, I noticed that like the main song is like piano. And so I was picturing like some of your students could learn this song, be rapping over it along with the song.

Jacques Hopkins: Love it.

David Krohse: Yeah, you should check it out.

Jacques Hopkins: Love it. Well, mine would be, you know, one of my favorite bands, if not my favorite band is actually Jimmy Eat World. And they get a bad rap because of that one song, the middle, which is not, it's kind of an outlier from, from what the rest of their songs sound like. But they have a song from awhile back called sweetness, and that's one of my go tos. If you're asking for like pump up song, I just, I love that track man. All right. All right. So.

David Krohse: I listened to them quite a bit.

Jacques Hopkins: Oh, cool. Awesome. So 65 eat like a hunter gatherer. Go for it.

David Krohse: Yeah, so the main thing, you know, I definitely done some little nutrition experiments and try to follow the basically the paleo principles. A couple little tricks that I tried to do, you know, some people will say, track everything you eat. But for me, that created a lot of extra work. I wasn't really good at that. And so what I would say is that if you create a good plan for yourself, you only need to track the exceptions. So let's say, you know, you just have this goal.

You'd say you get, I get to eat unlimited vegetables and fruit in a two to one ratio. I eat healthy proteins, healthy fats, and then I allow myself just like one snack or treat a day. Like in the book, they recommend dark chocolate. You would only need to track the thing that falls outside of your rules that are easy to follow.

So. I dunno. You follow, you follow paleo principles. I know you said, you've said before, you're kind of gluten free and stuff?

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah, I try. I try to man that my, my default there is, is kind of a paleo keto, low carb by. I'll work the best on a pretty, pretty low carb and try to eliminate grains, specifically sugars and sugars and grains most specifically.

So, yeah, that's, that's my default. That's how I feel the best. But that also leads into number 67 I've got written down here. Stay hungry. Cause I'm a big fan of, of fasting as well. And I do, I do my best work on an empty stomach and you know, my default is, is definitely intermittent fasting, not eating breakfast for the past several years.

I'm a, I'm a two two meal a day guy. Late lunch. Kind of an early dinner, to be honest with you. For the past week, and this, this goes, this just stretches beyond the book, but for the past week, maybe two weeks, I've been testing one meal a day and actually working like my entire work day fasted, and then eating dinner with the family after that.

And it's going really well, like I've been, some of my most productive here lately. It's not only are you not having to take the break and go have lunch, but it's also just makes me feel good and I, and I haven't, it hasn't really even been a problem.

David Krohse: Wow. That's pretty intense.

Jacques Hopkins: It's, it's really, it really hasn't been. I just, the biggest thing is making the decision ahead of time. Like, okay, today. I'm not going to eat until dinner because if I ever give myself the leeway, it's like, okay, well if I can do it, I'll make it till dinner. But if I do that, then I'm going to stop and eat. But if I'm like, okay, I'm going to wait until dinner, then I just have an incredibly productive day. I don't even think about it until dinner time. And it's really hard to overeat when you're just eating one meal a day.

David Krohse: Yeah. Well, those kinds of experiments are fun. One of the ones that I came up with, so again, I'm a big Dave Ramsey fan for money, and he says, when you're trying to control your finances. Just whatever you want to spend on, like going out to eat, put that cash into an envelope, and once the envelope is empty, you don't get to spend any more money on going out to eat. And so I thought, I actually do have a major sweet tooth, and I was like, I want to have less snacks. And so I thought, I'm going to put this like $20 in an envelope.

And that's my getting gas station candy on envelope. And that was for the entire month. And so there was like this dollar value that represented my junk food, and then my wife and I don't really keep the treats in the house. And so it was kind of a fun little experiment. But yeah, I mean with the nutrition thing, because it's just all about finding what works for you.

Jacques Hopkins: Right on. Alright David, we've got one more in this. This is one that you had noted down 78 trick yourself into meditating.

David Krohse: Have you experimented with meditating at all? Have you tried Headspace?

Jacques Hopkins: Sure. I've, I've experimented with it. I've tried Headspace, I've tried other apps. There's nothing that I've ever stuck with longterm.

David Krohse: Okay. Well, I haven't done any regular meditation either. I guess I take my dog for a walk at least once a day, and that's kind of my reflection time, but my wife had gone to this, it's called a gong meditation ceremony. Basically it's at this unity church and there's this flat floor and you come in and lay down on like a yoga mat.

You just listen to this gong. Gong playing for an hour, and so she'd had, she, she'd really enjoyed it. She invited me to this evening one at like probably start at six thirty or something, but we got in there and there was like 30 people in the room, and so I'm laying on my yoga mat. I had a blanket on top and a pillow behind me.

It started, the lady is talking a little bit, just given some reflection points, and then the music starts and it was just magical. Like the hour just flew by like it felt like less than five minutes. And then the lady started talking again and I got up and I was just, I looked over at my wife and I said: " that was amazing." Like it flew by. It felt like it was just five minutes and my wife said, that's because you fell asleep and were snoring.

And I was like, are you serious? And I like practically yelled it up. I was like, why didn't you punch me or nudge me? And she's like, well, I didn't want to ruin it for you. And then like I was just like. I was like, how loud was I snoring? And she's like, shush. And I was just like freaking out. Then she got mad at me cause she's like, you're overreacting here. And I'm like, how loud was I? Like could the people on the far side of the room hear me.

So anyways, that was my like, funny meditation story. But I did take my staff back on over a lunch hour once my, my employee Sherry, and I was like, if I fall asleep at all, you got to nudge me. But yeah, meditation is great. Easy to fall asleep if you're lying down.

Jacques Hopkins: Yeah. Try not to fall asleep. All right, well. That's gonna. That's going to do it for this conversation on make time. It sounds like we both had a lot of good takeaways and recommend it to just about anyone. If you want to get your copy of make time and support this show and our efforts at the same time, then you can do that at theonlinecourseguy.com/maketime and look. That's just going to redirect you to my Amazon affiliate link.

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David Krohse: Oh yeah.

Jacques Hopkins: And I'm sure we're going to be talking about make time in that group as well. And I also go live on Facebook in that group every Friday, 9:00 AM central.

David, thanks so much for joining me on this episode. It was a great to talk to you about make time.

David Krohse: Definitely.

Jacques Hopkins: And thank you everyone out there for listening. We'll talk next week.